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Why do I check my phone while someone is talking to me?
The short answer
Because the hand moves before any judgment does. The glance escapes a small discomfort, checks on something you believe is waiting, or fills a pause that used to be ordinary. Sometimes it is only a habit that outlived its cause. The behavior is easy to name and easy to feel guilty about. The reason yours runs is personal, and that reason is the part that moves.
The recognition usually lands on one specific sentence rather than on the general idea, so read these first.
- "She was halfway through a sentence and I looked down. I do not remember deciding to."
- "We were watching a film and I picked up my phone. He had picked his up ten minutes earlier."
- "He asked me what I thought and I had to ask him to say the whole thing again."
- "I would never do this to a client. I do it to my wife most evenings."
There is a half second you already know. Somebody you live with is partway through telling you something. Not a crisis, not a request, just the middle part of a story about their day. And your hand is already at your pocket, the screen is already lighting, and you are not aware of having chosen anything. By the time you are aware of it you are looking at a lock screen with nothing on it.
The second piece arrives a beat later. They stop. Or they do not stop, and you surface a sentence and a half further in, with the sound of their voice still in the room and no content attached to it. So you say sorry, say that again. And they say it again, slightly shorter, in a flatter voice than the first time. The second telling is never as good as the first one. Everybody in the room knows that and nobody says it.
Then there is the fact that takes years to notice, and it is the most useful thing on this page. You do not do this in a meeting with somebody who could hire you. You do not do it across a table from a person you met an hour ago. You almost certainly did not do it on the third date. You do it at home, to a partner, to a parent on the phone, to a child telling you about a playground, to the two or three people whose opinion of you would survive nearly anything. The phone is in your pocket in both situations. Something else is different, and that difference is information rather than a verdict on your character.
One thing to settle before anything else, because several different behaviors get typed into a search bar in almost this wording and they lead somewhere different. If the hour that vanishes happens alone, in bed, on news that makes you feel worse the longer you read, that has its own page and a different mechanism. If the reach fires in every gap in your day, at a red light, in the shower, walking to the bin, with nobody present at all, the reflex in the seams is covered here. If what you cannot do is hold any single thing for twenty minutes, phone or no phone, that is a wider attention question. If the checking is about one particular person and what they are doing online, monitoring somebody's activity works differently. This page stays on one moment: the phone coming out while another human being is speaking to you, and what that takes from the person still holding the sentence.
What Actually Happens in the Half Second Before Your Hand Moves?
A great deal, at speed, and almost none of it in language.
Slow the half second down, because it explains more than any amount of resolve does. The sentence coming toward you reaches a point where it slows: a pause for a word, a wind-up before the interesting part, a subject you can already see the shape of. Something registers that the next few seconds are predictable. And in that gap, a forecast runs that nobody experiences as a forecast. One option pays out at an unknown time in an unknown amount. The other pays out in under a second, every single time, with a small chance of something genuinely worth having.
Your hand goes to the pocket. That is the whole mechanism at the surface level, and it is why guilt does so little to it. The reward lands inside a second and the cost lands minutes later, or years later, and it lands mostly on somebody else. Two events that far apart never get connected. This is exactly why people run this for a decade and describe it, accurately, as just how they are with their phone now.
Oulasvirta and colleagues gave the surface behavior a name in 2012 after studying how people actually handle their devices. They called it the checking habit: brief inspections of the screen, often lasting under thirty seconds, that begin without a triggering thought and end without a conclusion. The more of these a person performed, the more they used the device overall. The check was the doorway rather than the destination.
There is a second finding worth having early, because it settles an argument that happens in a lot of kitchens. Wilcockson and colleagues compared people's own estimates of how often they picked up their phones against measured data in 2018 and found the estimates came in at roughly half the real number. Most individual checks lasted less than a minute, which is precisely why they do not register as events. You are not a bad judge of your own character here. You are a bad judge of your own count, and so is nearly everybody, and the person sitting opposite you is counting accurately whether or not either of you has said so.
Why Do You Do This to People You Love and Almost Never to a Stranger?
Because the two conversations have completely different accounting attached, and the glance goes where the accounting is loosest.
This is the single most informative thing about the behavior and it gets read as the most damning, which is a shame, because the moral reading is both wrong and useless. Take the two conversations apart.
| The client, the stranger, the first date | The kitchen on a Tuesday | |
|---|---|---|
| Does the conversation end in a verdict about you? | Yes, and you can feel it forming | No, and there is no moment where one gets delivered |
| What does one glance cost? | An incident. It stands alone and gets remembered | A data point in a series of several thousand |
| Would it be noticed? | Immediately, and by somebody with no reason to forgive it | Immediately, and by somebody who has already forgiven a thousand |
| Is there a runway to lose? | No. Nothing long is being said yet | Yes. This is where the long things get said, or do not |
| What happens if you get it wrong? | You find out inside a week | You find out in four years, in a sentence that seems to come from nowhere |
Read the third row twice. The forgiveness is real, it is one of the genuinely good things about being close to somebody, and it is also the exact mechanism that lets the count climb without a bill arriving. A stranger charges you immediately and therefore charges you once. The people you live with absorb it, which means the price is paid in a currency that has no obvious statement attached and accumulates by repetition rather than by incident.
The research finds the same asymmetry from the outside. Misra and colleagues observed roughly a hundred pairs and small groups in coffee shops in 2016 and had their conversations rated. Where a device was present or in somebody's hand, the conversation scored lower on empathic concern, and the drop was largest among people who described themselves as close to each other. Rotondi and colleagues reported the matching pattern in 2017: phone use during face-to-face time with friends and family reduced the satisfaction people took from that time, with no equivalent effect on time spent with colleagues. The device does its damage where the relationship is warmest.
So here is the honest reframe, and it is worth sitting with before you read another word. This is a pricing error rather than a caring error. You have priced the glance against the wrong thing: against how much this person will forgive, instead of against how much of your life is going to be conducted in this exact room. The people you do it to are the ones who will still be talking to you in eleven years, which is the entire reason the accumulation matters.
What Do Researchers Call This, and Where Does the Naming Stop?
There are four or five separate vocabularies for it, and each of them describes the act with real precision while leaving the reason entirely alone.
The lay word is phubbing, a blend of phone and snubbing. It did not come out of a laboratory. It was coined in 2012 for an Australian dictionary campaign and then picked up by researchers, who found it useful enough to keep. Chotpitayasunondh and Douglas studied its antecedents and consequences in 2016 and reported something that changes how you should think about your own household: being phubbed is one of the strongest predictors of phubbing other people. The behavior spreads by exposure and settles into a shared norm, which is why an evening between two people tends to converge on a rate rather than staying lopsided. Their later experimental work found that the more a person was phubbed during a simulated conversation, the worse they rated the communication and the more their sense of belonging dropped.
Partner phubbing is the version measured inside couples. Roberts and David surveyed romantic partners in 2016 and traced a chain worth knowing about: phone use during shared time predicted conflict specifically about phone use, and that conflict, rather than the phone use on its own, predicted lower relationship satisfaction. The device generates an argument about the device. That argument is unwinnable, because the subject being discussed is not the subject in the room.
Technoference is McDaniel and colleagues' term from 2016 for the small everyday interruptions technology makes in couple and family time. An answered phone at dinner, a screen consulted mid-conversation, an evening delivered in pieces. It is a good word because it counts the interruptions rather than judging the person making them.
Then there are the two mere presence findings, which are the ones most people have not heard and the ones that land hardest. Przybylski and Weinstein ran two experiments in 2013 in which pairs of strangers talked while a phone sat on a nearby table. The phone belonged to neither of them. Nobody touched it. Ratings of closeness, connection and conversation quality came out lower when it was visible, and the gap was widest when the conversation topic was meaningful rather than trivial. Ward and colleagues extended this in 2017 with what they called brain drain: participants performed worse on tests of available cognitive capacity with their own phone face down on the desk than with the same phone in another room, and they were confident throughout that its position made no difference to them.
The phrase continuous partial attention has been in circulation since the late 1990s for keeping a shallow eye on several inputs at once, occupied by two things and fully present at neither. It describes the state accurately. The version of it that runs when you are on your own is covered on its own page.
Here is what all of that vocabulary genuinely buys you. It establishes that this is measured, documented and thoroughly ordinary rather than a private defect of yours. It gives you two hard diagnostics: the effect is real even when nobody picks the phone up, and it is worse in close relationships than in distant ones, which is the opposite of what most people assume. It explains why the argument in your house sounds like it is about a device. And it removes the character reading, which is the most useful thing it does, because the character reading has been in the way for years.
Here is where every one of those terms stops. They all name an act. Two people can make the identical glance, at the identical moment, in the same conversation, and be doing two entirely different things. One is stepping out of a subject that just came up and has been uncomfortable for eleven years. One is checking on a parent in a hospital and would tell you so if asked. One is running a movement with nothing underneath it at all any more. The vocabulary covers the what with precision. The why sits outside it, and the why is the part that has to move before the hand does.
About this page. This describes a psychological and behavioral pattern. It is not a diagnosis and it is not medical advice. I am not a therapist, and no page can tell you which of these roots is yours. Two people who recognize themselves in everything above can still need entirely different things. If you are in acute crisis, or if what you are facing involves your safety, your body, or a condition you are already being treated for, that belongs with a licensed professional now rather than later. I would rather help you find the right thing than have you keep reading here.
When Does This Belong With Somebody Qualified Rather Than a Page Like This?
Earlier than most people ask, and the line is drawn by what surrounds the behavior rather than by how often it happens.
This page assumes one thing about your situation: that the glancing is costly and that everybody involved is safe. If that assumption is wrong, nothing below is the right tool, and better tools exist.
If somebody in your home checks your phone, requires your location, or reacts to an unanswered message in a way that makes the next hour frightening, that is a safety question before it is a psychological one, and it does not belong in a discussion about attention. Services for that exist in most countries, many of them free, and the people staffing them speak with far more people who are unsure than people who are certain.
If the checking happens while you are driving, particularly with a passenger or a child in the car, treat that as the separate and more urgent problem it is. Nothing on this page about roots and mechanisms is worth reading before that is handled, and handling it is a matter of geography and a locked glove box rather than insight.
If what you are carrying alongside this includes a flatness that has not lifted for months, sleep that has been broken for a long stretch, or any thought of harming yourself, that belongs with a licensed professional now rather than later. Reaching for help early costs far less than reaching for it after a year of decline, and nobody has ever regretted the early version.
The rest of this is written for the ordinary, expensive, stable version: the one where everybody is fine, the evenings are pleasant, and a slow accumulation is happening that nobody has found the words for yet.
Is This the Same as Scrolling in Bed or Filling a Quiet Room?
No, and the difference decides which page is worth your time and which repair is worth your effort.
| What you are describing | What it actually is | Where it is covered |
|---|---|---|
| An hour on bad news, alone, in the dark, thumb still moving | A solitary loop with a content problem inside it | Doomscrolling |
| The reach into every gap in the day, alone, any content at all | A reflex in the seams of your own time | Filling every silence |
| The glance down while a person is mid-sentence | This page | |
| Watching one specific person's activity, repeatedly | A monitoring behavior with a different engine | Checking their social media |
| Cannot hold anything for twenty minutes, device or not | A general attention question | Why you cannot focus |
| Talking over the person instead of looking away | The same exit through a different door | Interrupting people |
The distinguishing feature of this page is simple and it is worth naming plainly. There is a second person present, they are producing something in real time that only exists while they produce it, and the glance takes a piece of it that cannot be recovered. A scrolled hour costs you your evening. A two-second glance costs somebody else their sentence, and neither of you has a place to put that.
Two of those rows overlap enough to be worth an extra line. If the reach fires just as hard when you are alone in a car as it does when your partner is talking, then a large part of what you have is the reflex in the seams and it is showing up in company because company includes gaps. If it fires with a person and almost never without one, the mechanism is specific to being in front of somebody, and the roots below are where to look.
Why Can You Not Remember What Was Just Said?
Because coming back takes longer than leaving did, and nobody has ever budgeted for the return trip.
The glance itself lasts two seconds. What it triggers does not. Leroy described the effect in 2009 under the name attention residue: after switching away from a task, part of your attention stays with the thing you left, and performance on the thing you have moved to drops for a while afterward. Monsell's work on task switching had already established the general shape, which is that moving between two activities costs measurable time even when both are simple and even when you know the switch is coming.
Apply that to a conversation and the arithmetic gets uncomfortable. You leave for two seconds. You come back and your attention arrives some seconds after your eyes do. During that window your ears are working perfectly, so the words are all reaching you, and none of them are being assembled into anything. Then the sentence ends and there is a small silence with your name on it.
Stothart and colleagues sharpened this in 2015 with a finding most people refuse to believe about themselves. Participants performed an attention task while their phones sat nearby. Receiving a notification, without looking at it and without responding to it, produced about as many errors as actually using the phone did. The cost is not paid at the moment you look. Some of it is paid at the moment you become aware that there is something to look at.
There is one more piece and it is the part that actually matters. What you lose is rarely the sentence. Most sentences are recoverable from context and everybody is running a certain amount of interpolation anyway. What you lose is the thing that was going to come next. People do not announce the important part. They approach it. They tell you the small version of something and watch how you take it, and the decision about whether to say the larger version gets made in about two seconds, on the basis of what your face was doing. A glance at that exact moment closes the door, gently, and nobody in the room finds out what was on the other side of it.
Why Do Two People Make the Identical Glance for Completely Different Reasons?
Because the visible act under-determines its cause, reliably, every time.
You can tell a tree by its roots. Behavior does not work like that, and this is the whole difficulty of it: we are not really able to tell what the root cause of a behavior is just by the actions on the surface. Two hands moving to two pockets at the same moment in two identical living rooms can be doing entirely unrelated jobs.
No behavior happens for no reason. And the lack of a behavior, the glance you never make in the meeting, does not happen for no reason either. Both halves of that are evidence. The rooms where the reach does not fire are telling you as much as the rooms where it does.
There are also lots of influencing factors that go into one behavior, which is worth holding onto, because the temptation is to treat the glance as an isolated unit with a single cause and a single fix. Most people's actual pattern is one dominant root with a second one underneath it, and the second one only becomes visible after the first has been dealt with.
| The root | What the glance is doing | How you would know it is this one |
|---|---|---|
| The conversation is slower than the schedule you have trained on | Filling a gap in input, with no feeling attached | It fires in good conversations too, at the exact point a sentence slows down |
| A specific discomfort in this conversation | Leaving a subject before it fully arrives | It clusters by topic rather than by person, and something happens in your body first |
| Something is waiting in the device | Buying certainty, because not knowing costs more than the moment does | You know what you are looking for before you unlock it, and a resolved thread ends it |
| The pause has become intolerable | Covering a silence that used to be ordinary | It fires in the gap rather than mid-sentence, and it is worst during a film |
| Habit, with nothing underneath it now | Nothing. The reach outlived its reason | No feeling before, no relief after, and you cannot say what you checked |
Take the second and the fifth, because from the other side of the room they are identical. Two people look down while their partner is talking about the weekend. One has just heard the first four words of a subject that has been unresolved between them since 2019, and the hand moved before any of that reached language. The other has genuinely no reason at all and would be surprised to learn they had done it. Tell the first one to put the phone in a drawer and the discomfort simply finds the next available exit. Tell the second one to examine their feelings and you have sent them looking for something that is not there.
That is why the same advice transforms one person and does nothing for the person next to them. Only when the actual cause is identified can a plan be put together that has a chance of holding. Why advice that worked brilliantly for somebody else does nothing for you has a page of its own.
A label can be looked up in ninety seconds. A root has to be found, one person at a time, and that is the slow part of this and also the only part that changes anything.
What If the Conversation Is Slower Than the Schedule You Have Trained On?
Then the glance is a speed problem, there is no feeling underneath it, and it fires in conversations you are genuinely enjoying.
Most of your waking input now resolves in under a second. A page loads, a message arrives, a video starts, a result appears. A conversation does not do that. A person assembling a thought out loud runs at the speed of a person assembling a thought out loud, which includes a wind-up, a wrong word, a correction, and a stretch in the middle where nothing new is being added while they find the end of the sentence.
Ordinary conversation is not actually slow by human standards. The gap between one person finishing and the next person starting runs at around two tenths of a second and holds close to that across very different languages, which is faster than most deliberate decisions. What has changed is not the conversation. What has changed is the tolerance you bring to it, because the tolerance is set by everything else in your day, and everything else in your day now answers immediately.
The signature is distinctive and it is the easiest of the five to recognize.
- It happens during conversations you are enjoying, which is the strongest tell on this list.
- It fires at the point a sentence slows rather than at the point a topic changes.
- There is no physical event beforehand. No tightening, no drop, nothing.
- You can be genuinely interested in what they are saying and looking at a lock screen at the same time, and this makes no sense to you.
- The rate is roughly the same across people, which is unusual and is the thing that separates this root from the rest.
If this is your root, the work is unglamorous and it moves reliably. What has to change is the tolerance for an input that takes ten seconds to deliver its point, and tolerance only rebuilds through exposure to slow things that you do not abandon. That means whole conversations without the option present, and it also means the rest of the day, because a tolerance trained down by four hundred instant returns will not hold up for one evening on willpower.
- Group
- 8–15 people
- Length
- Five days
- Where
- Sacred Valley, Peru
- You leave with
- Action steps
- The pattern
- It is doing a job
- The misread
- A character flaw
- The job
- Protection from something
- The tell
- It repeats on schedule
Five days in Peru's Sacred Valley, built around exactly the kind of pattern you just read about.
What If the Glance Is Escaping Something Specific in This Conversation?
Then the phone is a door, the door was there before the phone was, and this is the root that explains why the behavior concentrates at home.
Watch where it lands over a week and the pattern is usually embarrassingly specific. Money. The in-laws. The plan for the summer that requires a decision you have been postponing. The thing they raised twice last month. The particular note in their voice that means a request is coming in about forty seconds. Their brother. Your mother. The word "we should probably." The hand starts moving somewhere in the first four words, well before any of it is available to you as a thought.
This is worth being precise about, because it is the root people most often talk themselves out of. The escape does not require the subject to be dramatic. It only requires the subject to be one you have no comfortable move inside. A conversation you cannot win, cannot end, and cannot say the true thing in is uncomfortable in a very low-grade way, and low-grade discomfort with an exit six inches from your hand does not stand a chance.
Melumad and Pham tested a nearby question in 2020 in the Journal of Consumer Research, treating the phone as a pacifying object rather than only a useful one. Under stress, people reached for their own phone more readily than for anything else available, and an identical activity produced more stress relief on their own device than on a laptop or on the same model of phone belonging to somebody else. The comfort sat in that specific object, which is part of why nothing else nearby quite replaces it once the discomfort arrives. The limit matters as much as the result: that stress was manufactured under test conditions, nobody was mid-conversation, and no subject was being avoided. So the work explains why the device wins so easily against a difficult moment, and says nothing at all about which subject sent you there. Only a week of evidence does that.
The signature.
- The glances cluster by topic. Map a week and you will find three or four subjects carrying most of them.
- Something happens physically just before: a tightening, a shift in the chair, a small drop.
- It stops when the subject changes, sometimes within one sentence.
- You are markedly better at this with the same person on a different topic, which rules out boredom.
- Afterward there is a specific relief that is out of proportion to a conversation about a calendar.
If this is your root, putting the phone in a drawer produces an interesting result: the discomfort arrives on schedule and leaves through a different door. You start clearing plates. You remember something urgent in another room. You give a short answer that closes the topic. The exit was the point and the device was only the most convenient version of it. What actually moves this is finding out what the subject is protected from and building one honest sentence you can say inside it. The general architecture of avoiding your own feelings is covered here, and what happens when a conversation gets too hot and you go offline entirely has its own page.
What If Something Is Waiting in the Device?
Then the checking is buying certainty, the vigilance is often legitimate, and the cost is real even on the checks you resist.
A parent who was in the hospital last spring. A child who is out and has not answered. A job application in its fourth week. A client who went quiet on Thursday. A message you sent at four and has not been read. A number you do not want to see. Something is genuinely pending, and not knowing costs more per minute than the conversation in front of you does, which makes the glance a reasonable trade rather than a failure of attention.
Sbarra and colleagues made an argument in 2019 that helps explain why this competes so effectively with a live human being. The phone delivers exactly the class of signal the human social system is built to prioritize: news about people, about who is with whom, about your own standing. Rather than competing with the person in front of you despite being a machine, it competes with them in their own currency.
And the cost lands whether or not you look. Stothart and colleagues' 2015 finding applies with full force here: a notification you never look at produced about as many errors as answering the phone did. So the version of this where you feel the buzz, decide heroically not to check, and continue the conversation is not the clean solution it feels like. Part of you has already left.
The signature.
- You can name what you are looking for before the screen lights.
- The rate collapses the moment the thread resolves. The evening after the test result comes back is a completely different evening.
- It runs when the phone is silent, and on airplane mode, and face down.
- It concentrates in specific weeks rather than spreading evenly across a year.
- You feel more guilt about this one than any other root, and you deserve less of it.
If this is your root, the honest work is mostly logistical rather than psychological. Set a check on a schedule instead of on impulse, tell the person in the room what is pending and when you will look, and put the actual escalation path in place so that the important thing reaches you by ringing rather than by being discovered. Announced vigilance costs a conversation almost nothing. Unannounced vigilance costs it everything, because the other person has no way to tell it apart from indifference. If the scanning runs constantly and attaches to everything rather than to one pending thing, that is a wider pattern.
What If It Is the Pause You Cannot Sit In?
Then the glance is answering a silence, the silence used to be ordinary, and this is the root that owns the evening in front of the television.
Two people who live together do not talk continuously and never have. An evening between them is mostly gaps: after a plate is finished, during the slow part of a film, in the middle of a conversation that has said its main thing and is winding down. Those gaps were the normal state of a shared room for most of human history and they were not experienced as a problem, because there was nothing else to do inside them.
Now every gap has a filler within arm's reach, and it gets used, and after enough repetitions the gap itself starts to feel like something that requires a response. That is the change worth noticing. The pause did not become uncomfortable on its own. It became uncomfortable in the presence of an alternative, in the same way a line becomes unbearable only once everybody in it has something to look at.
Dwyer and colleagues tested a version of this in 2018 with families sharing a restaurant meal. People whose phones remained available reported more distraction and less enjoyment of the meal than those whose phones were put away. The meal was the same meal. The difference was whether the pauses had somewhere to go.
The signature.
- It fires in the gap rather than mid-sentence. Nobody is interrupted, and that is exactly why it goes unchallenged for years.
- The worst offender is a film or a series with the person you live with.
- Both of you do it, at roughly the same rate, and neither has raised it.
- It fires when you are alone too, at a red light or in a lift.
- You would struggle to say what the pause was uncomfortable about, because it is not uncomfortable about anything.
If this is your root, the useful move is to take one recurring pause and defend it rather than to attempt the whole evening. One film a week where the phones are in the hall. One meal. The first twenty minutes after somebody gets home. What people report after two or three weeks of this is consistent and slightly surprising: real conversations start in the reclaimed gaps, usually within the first twenty minutes, about things neither person had planned to raise. The wider version of this reflex, the one that runs when nobody else is in the room at all, is covered here.
What If the Reach Has Outlived Every Reason?
Then there is nothing underneath it any more, which sounds like good news and is only half of it.
An emotional response is very often just a habit, and so is a physical one. A movement repeated a hundred times a day for ten years does not need a cause to keep running. It only needs the conditions it was learned in, which in this case are a pocket, a hand and a pause. The reach that started as boredom in 2014, or as a job that genuinely required it, is now a piece of motor behavior with the original reason long since detached.
Oulasvirta and colleagues' description fits this root exactly: brief inspections, largely automatic, with no triggering thought at the start and no conclusion at the end. If you have ever unlocked a phone, looked at it, locked it and unlocked it again inside thirty seconds, you have watched this root operate with nothing behind it at all.
The signature.
- No feeling before it, and no relief after it.
- You check a phone you are already holding, or check twice in a minute.
- Asked what you looked at, you genuinely cannot say.
- It fires in absurd places: a lift between two floors, a line of two people, the eight seconds while a kettle boils.
- The rate is flat. It does not spike around particular topics or particular weeks.
If this is your root, you have the cheapest version of this problem, because habit responds to geography and asks for very little insight. Change where the phone physically sits during the parts of the day you care about and the rate drops within two weeks, without any work on yourself at all.
One honest caution, because this is also the root everybody wants to have. It asks the least of you, so it is the most attractive diagnosis on the list. The check is the flatness of the rate. Genuine habit is boringly even. If your glances bunch around one person, one topic, or one bad month, something else is driving a large part of it and the geography fix will only take you so far.
Which Root Is Yours, Judging Only by Evidence You Already Have?
You can settle this in about a week, using nothing but observations you already own and one uncomfortable question.
This is the most useful section here and it asks for no introspection at all. Every item below is answered by noticing or by asking.
1. Run the stranger test on a real instance. Take the last time you remember doing it. Ask whether the hand would have moved if the identical sentence had come from somebody whose opinion of you was not yet settled. If the answer is clearly no, the phone is not the driver, because the phone was in your pocket in both versions.
2. Record the topic, not the time. For one week, note only what subject was on the table at the moment you looked. Three words is enough. If three or four subjects carry most of the entries, you have the avoidance root and you now know which subjects.
3. Name it before you unlock it. For one week, say silently what you expect to find before the screen lights. If you can name it, the vigilance root is live. If nothing comes, you are looking at speed or habit.
4. Time the reach against the sentence. Mid-sentence points at speed or avoidance. In the gap after a sentence points at the pause root. This one distinction resolves more cases than any other single observation.
5. Ask whether your body did anything first. A tightening, a shift, a drop in the stomach: avoidance. Nothing at all: speed or habit. People are remarkably consistent about this and almost nobody has been asked.
6. Watch what happens when a pending thing resolves. If the evening after the result comes back is a visibly different evening, vigilance was carrying most of it. If the rate is unchanged, it was not.
7. Count on a night with nothing pending, in a conversation about nothing. A flat rate under those conditions is habit. A rate that collapses under those conditions is one of the other four.
8. Ask the person. This is the instrument nobody wants to use and it is by far the most accurate one in the house. Ask them when it happens most. Not whether it bothers them, which invites a polite answer, but when. They will have a list, they will produce it immediately, and they have been carrying it for a while. Prepare for the list to be specific and prepare not to argue with it.
Two or three of those will point the same way, and that convergence is your answer. All of it was available before you opened this page.
When Is Checking Your Phone Simply the Right Thing to Do?
Frequently, and any version of this discussion that will not say so plainly is asking you to feel bad instead of asking you to think.
A parent in the hospital. A child who is out. A business with one person in it. A shift that could be called in. A teenager who said they would text. A delivery, a taxi, a flight, a bank. Households run on shared logistics now, and a good deal of what looks like distraction in a kitchen is two adults coordinating a Thursday. Some conversations are genuinely companionable background and both people know it and neither minds. None of that is the pattern this page is about, and confusing the two is how people end up either miserable or defensive.
So here is the separator, and it is the sharpest test available:
A necessary check survives being said out loud first.
You can announce it in six words before it happens, without embarrassment and without a story attached. I need to look at this, the school might call. The other kind cannot be said in advance, only explained afterward, and the explanation is always assembled after the hand has already moved.
| The check you would announce | The glance you explain afterward | |
|---|---|---|
| Did you know what you were looking for? | Yes, and you could have named it | You found out when the screen lit up |
| Could you have said it in advance? | Yes, in six words | Saying it in advance would have sounded strange |
| What ended it? | The thing you were looking for | Something else appeared and carried you |
| How long? | Under a minute, then back in the room | You surfaced somewhere later |
| What does the other person do? | Says go ahead, and means it | Says nothing, and files it |
| Afterward | Nothing to think about | A small flat feeling with no address on it |
Read the last row twice, because it is the cleanest evidence you have. A legitimate check leaves nothing behind. The other kind leaves a low residue that does not attach to anything, which is exactly why it never gets connected to its cause.
And a word about the standard advice, since you have almost certainly met it. There is a version of this subject that arrives as a short lecture about presence and connection and being here now, and it has been delivered to you many times, and it has changed nothing, and there was never much chance of it doing otherwise. The trouble is that it is not as easy as saying, well, why don't you do it. There is usually more to it, and it goes deeper. A person who could stop by deciding to stop would have stopped in 2019. The instruction is not what has been missing.
What Does the Glance Actually Cost the Person in Front of You?
More than the sentence, and the expensive part is the one neither of you can see happening.
Start with the visible cost, which is the second telling. Every story told twice comes out shorter and flatter. The teller compresses, drops the detail that made it worth saying, and finishes early. Both of you experience this as a minor inconvenience. What actually happened is that the story was retired and replaced with a summary of itself.
Then the invisible cost, which is where nearly all of the damage sits. People learn, without ever deciding to, how far into a story the glance usually arrives. And they begin editing to fit inside that window. The long thing, the one that needed a runway and a bit of trust to get going, stops being started. Nobody announces this. There is no conversation where somebody says they have stopped telling you things. There is just a slow shortening, over years, until an evening is made entirely of logistics and neither person can say when that happened. Friendships that stay permanently on the surface often have exactly this underneath them, and a marriage that has gone quiet is frequently the accumulated version of it.
There is a third cost that lands on you rather than on them, and it is worth naming. Chotpitayasunondh and Douglas's finding that being phubbed predicts phubbing others means the rate in a household converges. Whatever you are doing is teaching the room. If you live with somebody and you have a rate, so do they now, and the two rates will meet. That is also true of children in the room, who are learning what a conversation is worth by watching what interrupts one.
And there is the argument itself, which almost never lands on the real subject. Roberts and David's chain is worth repeating here: the phone use predicted conflict about phone use, and it was that conflict that predicted the drop in satisfaction. So the fight happens about a device, in a vocabulary about devices, and it cannot resolve, because what the person actually wants to say has nothing to do with a phone. They want to know whether they are still interesting to you. That sentence is very hard to say and almost nobody says it, so it comes out as a complaint about screen time instead. The feeling underneath it has its own page.
Are You Sure That Is What You Are Looking At?
Worth checking, because at least six situations produce the same glance and they want different responses.
| What you are seeing | What it might actually be | The thing that tells them apart |
|---|---|---|
| Looking down while somebody talks | The pattern this page is about | Whether the rate changes with the topic or the person |
| Looking down only around one person | An exit from that specific relationship | Whether it disappears entirely with everybody else |
| Looking down only in one mood | A state effect rather than a habit | Whether the bad weeks account for most of the entries |
| Both of you on phones all evening | A converged household norm | Whether either of you has ever raised it out loud |
| Attention leaving without any device | The same exit through a different door | Whether it still happens when the phone is in another room |
| Checking specifically when they seem upset | Managing somebody's mood rather than escaping a subject | Whether the reach tracks their state rather than the content |
That last row deserves its own sentence. If the glance fires most reliably when the other person's mood shifts, and it comes bundled with monitoring their face, softening your own tone and heading things off before they arrive, that is a different mechanism and it has its own page.
Where Does This Hide When It Does Not Look Like Checking Your Phone?
In six places, all of which have a respectable cover story, which is how the pattern runs for years without being counted.
- The look-past. Your eyes go to a screen over their shoulder, a television on a wall, a laptop that is already open. No phone is involved and the cost is identical.
- The productive version. You add something to a list, check a calendar, or reply to one work message while they talk. This looks like competence, it feels responsible, and it takes exactly the same two seconds and the same recovery time.
- The shared screen. Both of you on devices for an entire evening. The offense feels canceled because it is mutual. Nothing about the cost is canceled, and a household that runs this way has quietly agreed to stop starting long conversations.
- The verified check. You look at the time, which is a genuine thing to look at, and the screen is already in your hand. This is the most reliable doorway of all because it comes with a defensible reason attached.
- The follow-up question generated from the last four words. You did not hear the middle, so you ask something reasonable about the end. It passes. Nobody is fooled for very long, and the person telling the story usually knows within a sentence.
- The version with no device at all. Attention leaves for the window, for another conversation across the room, or for the sentence you are preparing to say next. If this is happening as much as the phone version, the wider behavior sits closer to interrupting than to distraction.
Why Does Moving the Phone Work Better Than Deciding to Do Better?
Because a decision only holds while you are watching it, and the glance happens exactly when you are not.
Ward and colleagues found that having a phone face down on the desk cost measurable capacity compared with having it in a different room, and the people involved were confident the difference was nil. Face down keeps the device inside the decision. It still has to be resisted, several times an hour, by a system that is busy following a conversation. Another room removes the decision entirely.
This is where the influencing factors around a behavior matter more than the behavior itself. Treating the glance as an isolated unit with a single cause and a single fix is what produces the cycle most people are already in: a resolution on Sunday, a good three days, and a return to the old rate by the following weekend. The room, the chair, the charger location and the pocket are all part of the behavior, and they hold without needing to be watched.
Practically, that means three things and none of them require a personality change. A charging point somewhere that is not the sofa and not the bedside table. One recurring conversation a day where the device is genuinely elsewhere rather than face down. And a rule about the film, which is the highest-yield single change most households can make, because it converts the most reliably phone-shaped hour of the week back into a shared one.
Now the honest limitation, because this is where a lot of advice stops and it should not. Geography moves the habit root a long way, moves the pause root a fair distance, and moves the avoidance root almost not at all. If the glance was escaping a subject, the subject still arrives on schedule and the discomfort finds the next available exit within about a week. That is not a failure of the method. That is the method giving you information about which root you actually have.
What Does the Resolved Version Look Like on an Ordinary Tuesday?
Considerably less dramatic than people imagine, and closer than it currently feels.
| Where it stands now | Where it goes | What that looks like on an ordinary Tuesday |
|---|---|---|
| The hand moves before you decide | There is a gap, and you catch it | You notice your hand at your pocket and leave it there |
| You surface with no idea what was said | You lose the thread and say so at once | Sorry, I went somewhere, say that part again |
| Checks are never announced | The real ones are announced in six words | I need to look at this once, the hospital might call |
| Every pause has a filler | Some pauses are left alone | Four seconds of quiet during a film that nobody fills |
| The phone is face down on the arm of the sofa | The phone is in the hall during one hour | You do not think about it after the first ten minutes |
| Stories arrive pre-shortened | Somebody starts a long one again | A story with a runway on it, told to the end |
| The argument is about screen time | The subject gets said directly | Somebody asks whether they are still interesting to you |
| You feel guilty and change nothing | You know your root and work on that one | A specific fix instead of a general resolution |
The sixth row is the one people misread when they picture this. Nobody becomes a person who never touches a phone. The rate barely moves in most households. What changes is that two conversations a day are whole, the pauses come back, and the long things get started again, which is the entire point and the only part anybody actually notices.
If that middle column reads as out of reach tonight, hold off on the verdict about yourself. The left-hand column was built by a real life under real conditions, and every item in it was solving something at the time.
Where Does This Thinking Come From?
From public bodies of work, none of which require going through me to check.
The word phubbing was coined in 2012 for an Australian dictionary campaign and entered the research literature shortly afterward. Chotpitayasunondh and Douglas published on its antecedents and consequences in 2016 in Computers in Human Behavior, reporting the reciprocal loop in which being phubbed predicts phubbing others, and followed it with experimental work on the effects of phubbing during simulated interactions. Roberts and David published their study of partner phubbing and relationship satisfaction in 2016, also in Computers in Human Behavior, tracing the path from phone use to conflict about phone use to lower satisfaction. McDaniel and colleagues introduced technoference in 2016 in Psychology of Popular Media Culture.
On mere presence, Przybylski and Weinstein published their two experiments in 2013 in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, finding that a visible phone belonging to neither participant lowered ratings of conversation quality, with the largest effect on meaningful topics. Misra and colleagues published the coffee shop observation study in 2016 in Environment and Behavior, reporting lower empathic concern in conversations conducted with a device present, particularly among people who were close. Ward and colleagues published the brain drain experiments in 2017 in the Journal of the Association for Consumer Research. Rotondi and colleagues reported in 2017 in the Journal of Economic Psychology that phone use during time with friends and family reduced the well-being people derived from that time. Dwyer and colleagues published the family meal experiment in 2018 in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.
On attention, Leroy published the attention residue studies in 2009 in Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, Monsell's review of task switching appeared in 2003 in Trends in Cognitive Sciences, and Stothart, Mitchum and Yehnert published the notification study in 2015 in the Journal of Experimental Psychology: Human Perception and Performance. On the habit itself, Oulasvirta and colleagues described the checking habit in 2012 in Personal and Ubiquitous Computing, and Wilcockson and colleagues compared estimated with measured smartphone use in 2018. Sbarra and colleagues set out the evolutionary mismatch argument in 2019 in Perspectives on Psychological Science.
The rest is mine and carries no research weight at all. I hold no clinical qualification of any kind, and I am not a therapist. None of the researchers named here has any connection to this page or to the seminar. Where their published work and my own reading disagree, theirs is the one to go and check.
- Group
- 8–15 people
- Length
- Five days
- Where
- Sacred Valley, Peru
- You leave with
- Action steps
- The premise
- No behavior is random
- The work
- Find the cause underneath
- The change
- Built on your calendar
- The point
- Life changes through action
If reading about it is no longer enough, the seminar is where the pattern gets worked on.
How Long Does This Take, Honestly?
Longer than the habit version suggests and shorter than the guilt version suggests, and it moves at two different speeds.
Noticing arrives fast. A week of counting and most people can name their root, name the three subjects it clusters around, and describe the exact moment in a sentence when the hand starts moving. That stage is frustrating, because you can watch the whole thing operate and still find yourself looking at a lock screen on Thursday. Seeing it counts anyway, and everything after it depends on it.
The habit root moves in two weeks, once the geography changes. The pause root takes a few weeks and mostly gives you a pleasant surprise. The avoidance root takes considerably longer, because the discomfort it was escaping is still there and now has nowhere convenient to go, and that is genuinely harder than it sounds on a page.
Expect the plan itself to need revision, and do not read that as failure. All you can really do is test the hypothesis about which root is yours and find out whether it is going to work. It would be a little comical to think you could make a plan that works on the first strike, because life rarely runs that way. You try the geography, you watch what happens, and what happens tells you what you are dealing with.
There is also no perfect timing for starting this, which matters because the standard move is to wait for a calmer month. The calmer month is where the behavior is least visible and therefore least useful to study. A busy week with something pending in your phone is the best diagnostic conditions you will get all year.
And one warning about the cost, since it is the part people underestimate. You have to give up more than you would expect to give up. Not the phone, which nobody is asking for. The version of your evening where nothing has to be said, where the pauses are covered, and where a subject can be exited without anybody naming it. That arrangement has been doing real work, and getting rid of it is felt as a loss for a while before it is felt as anything else.
How Do I Stop Checking My Phone While People Are Talking?
You stop it by finding out what your glance is actually doing, and that is what this week is for, before you change anything else.
A count, a topic column and one uncomfortable question, and the whole assignment asks you to change nothing at all for the first three days.
- Count for three days without changing a thing. Every glance in front of another person. A tally on paper. No judgment, no resolutions, no announcements. You are collecting a baseline, and the baseline is worth more than a good week.
- Add the topic column. From day four, three words about what was being discussed at the moment you looked. This one column resolves most cases on its own.
- Run the stranger test once, on a real instance. Would the hand have moved if that sentence had come from somebody whose opinion of you was still forming?
- Name it before you unlock it. Every time, for a week, say silently what you expect to find. Notice how often nothing comes.
- Give one conversation a day some geography. Not the whole evening. One conversation, with the phone in a different room, chosen in advance.
- Ask the person when it happens most. Not whether it bothers them. When. Then write down what they say without arguing with any of it.
- Repair one, briefly. Sorry, I went somewhere, say that part again, I want to hear it. Six seconds, no speech about your relationship with technology, and then actually listen to the whole thing.
That sequence costs almost nothing and produces something no article can hand you, which is evidence about your own evenings in your own handwriting. Then put the one change you decide on into your real calendar and hold the calendar, because a resolution that lives only in your head has no way of surviving a Wednesday.
One thing to expect, since it catches people out. Around the third or fourth day the pull usually gets stronger rather than weaker, and the count often goes up before it goes down. Watching yourself do something makes the doing of it louder before it makes it smaller. That is the ordinary shape of this rather than a sign that the method has failed.
If what landed hardest was the differential, the fact that you would never do this to a client and you do it nightly to the person you live with, our Sacred Valley seminar is built for that layer rather than for the behavior on the surface. What we do first is identify the way you want to go, then identify what is getting in the way, and then build you a bridge to get out of there, and the thing getting in the way is usually not what people arrive expecting. Everybody is screened beforehand, which keeps the group small enough that a person who has spent fifteen years half-present cannot quietly stay that way inside it. The weeks after the flight home are part of the design rather than something left to you, because the real work only starts when you get home to the same sofa, the same evening and the same person mid-sentence. One limitation worth stating plainly: exact dates, the price and the final cap on group size are still being settled, so if you are comparing programs on those numbers this week, ours cannot yet be compared. Ask every program you are weighing the same questions, including that one, and decide from your own reading of what comes back. The three-day count costs you nothing and is worth having whatever you decide afterward.
Questions About Checking Your Phone Mid-Conversation
Why do I check my phone while someone is talking to me?
Because the hand moves before any decision does, and it is moving for one of several different reasons. The glance can be escaping a specific subject, checking on something you believe is waiting, filling a pause that has become uncomfortable, or running as a habit that outlived its cause. Guilt about the behavior is nearly universal and it does almost nothing to change the rate.
What is phubbing?
A blend of phone and snubbing, coined in 2012 for an Australian dictionary campaign and picked up by researchers soon afterward. It names the act of turning to a device while another person is present or speaking. The word is accurate about what happens and completely silent about why, which is the reason two people can be phubbing identically and need entirely different things.
What is partner phubbing?
Phone use during time you are supposed to be sharing with a partner. Roberts and David surveyed romantic partners in 2016 and found that it predicted conflict specifically about phone use, and that this conflict, rather than the phone use itself, predicted lower relationship satisfaction. The finding is worth knowing because it explains why the argument always sounds like it is about a device.
What is the mere presence effect?
The finding that a phone lowers the quality of a conversation without anybody touching it. Przybylski and Weinstein ran two experiments in 2013 in which a phone sitting on a nearby table, belonging to neither person, reduced ratings of closeness and connection. The drop was largest when the conversation topic was meaningful rather than small talk.
What is technoference?
A term McDaniel and colleagues introduced in 2016 for the small everyday interruptions technology makes in couple and family time. A phone answered during dinner, a screen looked at during a conversation, an evening broken into pieces by notifications. It captures the shape of the interference accurately and stays neutral about what any given interruption is doing for the person making it.
Why do I do this to my partner and never to a client?
Because the two conversations have different accounting attached. A client conversation ends with a judgment about you and you know it. A conversation in your own kitchen has no verdict at the end and no obvious record. So the glance goes to the relationship with the loosest accounting, which happens to be the relationship where the count accumulates fastest.
Does everyone do this?
Close to everyone, and the research treats it as ordinary rather than exceptional. Chotpitayasunondh and Douglas found in 2016 that being phubbed predicts phubbing other people, which is how a household converges on a shared rate. That is worth knowing mainly because it takes the character question off the table and leaves you with the more useful one about mechanism.
Is checking my phone during a conversation ever fine?
Often, and any page that says otherwise is not being honest with you. A parent in the hospital, a child who is out, a business with one person in it, a shift that could be called in. The useful separator is whether you could have named the check out loud before you made it, in six words, without it sounding strange.
Why can I not remember what was just said?
Because returning from a two-second glance takes longer than the glance did. Leroy described attention residue in 2009: after a switch, part of your attention stays with the thing you left and performance on the new task drops. You come back to the conversation before your attention does, which is why the words arrive and the meaning does not.
Why does it happen most during a film with someone I live with?
Because the pause is where the reach lives, and a film with a familiar person is made of pauses. Neither of you has to carry the conversation, the room goes quiet in a way that used to be ordinary, and a filler is within arm's reach. It is worth noticing that this is a different trigger from the one that fires mid-sentence.
Why do I check even when the phone has not buzzed?
Because the checking is often driven by what you expect rather than by what has arrived. Stothart and colleagues showed in 2015 that a notification you never even look at produces about as many errors on an attention task as answering the phone does. If something is genuinely pending, the vigilance runs whether or not the device makes a sound.
Does it help to put the phone face down on the table?
Less than people expect. Ward and colleagues tested this in 2017 and found that cognitive capacity measured lower with a phone face down on the desk than with the same phone in another room, and participants were confident it made no difference to them. Face down keeps the device inside the decision. Another room takes it out.
Is this the same as doomscrolling?
No, and mixing them up sends you at the wrong problem. Doomscrolling is a solitary hour, usually at night, on content that makes you feel worse the longer you read. This is a glance of a few seconds that happens with another person in the room and takes something from them. Different trigger, different cost, different repair.
Is this the same as filling every silence?
They overlap in one root and separate everywhere else. Filling every silence covers the reach into the gaps in your day when nobody is present: the shower, the drive, the walk to the bin. This page covers the moment somebody is right there and speaking. If the reflex fires equally when you are alone, that page is the better entry point.
Why do two people make the same glance for different reasons?
Because a visible act never determines its own cause. One person is escaping a subject that just came up. One is waiting on a hospital. One is running a habit with nothing underneath it at all. The glance looks identical from the other side of the sofa, and the thing that would actually change it is different in each case.
What does it cost the person talking to me?
The second telling, first of all, which is always shorter and flatter than the first. Over a longer stretch the cost changes shape: people learn how far into a story the glance usually arrives, and they start editing to fit inside that window. The expensive loss is the story that stops being started rather than the one that gets interrupted.
Why does my partner say I am always on my phone when I am not?
Because they are counting and you are not. Wilcockson and colleagues compared people's estimates of their own daily phone checks against measured data in 2018 and found the estimates came in at roughly half the real number. The person across from you sees every glance from outside the loop, so treat their count as data even where you disagree about the meaning.
How do I know which root is mine?
From evidence you already own. Note whether the hand would have moved with a stranger, what subject was on the table at the moment you looked, whether you could name what you were looking for before you unlocked it, whether the reach came mid-sentence or in the gap, and whether the rate drops on a night with nothing pending. Two or three of those will agree.
Why does it get worse when the subject is money or the in-laws?
Because the glance is functioning as an exit from that specific subject, and the exit is available before any thought about it arrives. This is the root that best explains why the behavior concentrates at home: the topics that are genuinely uncomfortable to sit inside are almost all topics that only come up with people who are close to you.
Is this a sign that I am bored of the person?
Rarely, and that reading is the one most people jump to and most people get wrong. The rate is usually highest with people you are not bored of at all, because closeness is what makes the moment feel recoverable. Boredom would predict the opposite pattern, with the glances concentrated in obligatory conversations you did not choose.
Should I apologize for it?
One short sentence in the moment beats a speech later. Sorry, say that again, I actually want to hear it. Then put the phone somewhere else while they say it. A long apology moves the conversation onto your guilt, which asks them to manage it, and the person who was mid-sentence has now lost the story twice.
Does willpower work on this?
It works while you are watching it and it stops working the moment your attention goes elsewhere, which is the exact moment the glance happens. Changing where the phone physically sits during the two conversations a day that matter does more, and asks for less. That handles the habit root well and the avoidance root barely at all.
What if we are both on our phones?
Then the offense feels canceled and the cost is doubled rather than removed. Households converge on a shared rate quickly, because being on the receiving end of it is one of the strongest predictors of doing it. Two people who have agreed by silence that the evening runs this way will not usually notice what it costs until something needs to be said and there is no runway for it.
Why do I do it more with my parents than with friends?
Usually because of what the conversation contains rather than who is in it. Conversations with parents tend to carry old subjects, repeated stories, and requests that arrive indirectly. If your glances cluster in those calls and nowhere else, the pattern is telling you about the subject matter rather than about how much you care.
Is putting phones away at dinner enough?
It helps and it is not the whole thing. Dwyer and colleagues ran a study of family restaurant meals in 2018 and found that people whose phones stayed available reported more distraction and less enjoyment than those who put them away. A rule at one meal leaves the other twenty conversations of the day untouched, so treat it as a start.
What is continuous partial attention?
A phrase from the late 1990s for keeping a shallow eye on several inputs at once so that you are occupied by two things and fully present at neither. It describes the state well. It says nothing about why you enter it during one conversation and not during another, which is the question that decides what would actually help you.
Why does it feel automatic?
Because for many people it genuinely is by now. Oulasvirta and colleagues described the checking habit in 2012: brief inspections of the screen, often under thirty seconds, that begin without a triggering thought and end without a conclusion. Repeat that a hundred times a day for a decade and the reach stops needing a reason to run.
Does deleting apps fix this?
It reduces one kind of pull and leaves the behavior largely in place, because the glance is rarely about what is on the phone. People who delete the obvious apps usually report that within two weeks they are checking email, the weather, and a lock screen with nothing on it, at about the old rate. The reach found something else to open.
Why does it get louder once I start paying attention to it?
Because watching a behavior makes it noisier before it makes it smaller, and that is the ordinary shape of this rather than a sign that nothing is working. Expect the third or fourth day of counting to feel worse than the first. The count usually stays flat while the noticing sharpens, and the noticing is what everything after it depends on.
How long does this take to change?
Noticing takes about a week with a count running. Moving the habit root takes a few weeks of changed geography. Moving the avoidance root takes considerably longer, because the discomfort that the glance was escaping is still there and it has to be met somewhere. Progress shows up as a shorter gap between the reach and catching it.
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